MORMONS
IN
SHOCK

Love
warns
of
danger

Home

Article Index
FAQ
Discuss via e-mail
Web Links

 

Thank You For Visiting

MORMONS IN SHOCK

 "Love warns of danger"

The purpose of this site is to prevent any Mormons from being in shock on the judgment day when they learn the following:

1.  There are no telestial or terrestrial "glories" (worlds or destinations) in the afterlife.    
       (A complete study from the 4 standard works is below.)

 
2.  According to both the Bible and the LDS writings, no one's worthiness, performance, 
      or personal righteousness will ever be good enough to qualify them for Celestial Glory.


3.  A hidden or missing truth (LDS have not heard) indicates that heaven  (Celestial Glory)  
      is, in fact,  EASILY attainable when received on the Biblical basis.
       While we have nothing but respect for anyone who is sincerely trying to follow God, we feel the Bible's golden rule (treat others as you wish to be treated) indicates that we should be willing to speak up about what we see as serious spiritual danger.  This site is intended to be a loving warning related to LDS teachings, and an offer of hope.  If we have somehow misunderstood things,  please let us know.   

We PLEAD with you, for your sake,
to study this out carefully. 
We do not want you to be in shock on the judgment day
to learn these things after it is too late.

 

1.  THERE ARE NO TELESTIAL OR TERRESTRIAL GLORIES.  

 ATHE BIBLE..  All of the scriptures below teach two destinations generally.  But Rev. 20:15 and 21:24-27 (cited here) teach ONLY two destinations.  They state that if your name is NOT in the Lamb's book of life your destiny will be the lake of fire, and that if your name IS in the book of life, you will be in God's presence, with access to His very throne.  Think about it:  what other options can exist besides  "name in book" and "name not in book"?

"And whosoever was not found written in the book of life
was cast into the lake of fire."  Rev. 20:15

"And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty
and the Lamb are the temple of it (the city)...
and the nations of them which are saved shall walk
in the light of it; ... and the gates of it shall not be shut
at all by day: for there shall be no night there...
And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth,
neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie:
but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life." 
Rev. 21:22-27

Other Scriptures (King James Version)

Psalm 139:8                heaven; hell
Proverbs                      righteous vs. unrighteous repeatedly mentioned--
                                     no mention of half-righteous people
Isa. 14:12-15               heaven/hell
Daniel 12:1                 shame & contempt, or everlasting life
Matt. 8:11-12              kingdom of heaven/outer darkness
Matt. 13                       the wheat and the tares, wicked vs. just, burned vs. God's Kingdom
Matt. 25:46                 life eternal, everlasting punishment
Mark 9:47                   Kingdom of God or hell fire
Luke 19:10                  saved or lost
John 3:16                    perishing or having everlasting life
John 3:18                    condemned or not condemned
John 3:36                    wrath of  God or everlasting life
John 5:24                    life or death
John 5:29                    resurrection of the just or the unjust
Rom. 6:23                   death; eternal life
I Cor. 1:18                   saved; perishing
I Cor. 6:9-11               kingdom of God or  unrighteous not in kingdom
Eph. 5:1-6                   kingdom, or wrath of God
II Thess. 1:5-9             punishment, or the kingdom of God
I Peter 1:3-5                Godly ones;  darkness, light
II Peter 2:9, 3:7-9, 13  deliverance into new heaven; ungodly perishing
I John 5:11-12             eternal life; no eternal life
Rev. 20:15, 21:24-26  name in book/name not in book  (presence of God; lake of fire)

The entire Bible speaks only of God's kingdom (singular); it never speaks of more than one heavenly kingdom! ( In Rev. 11:15b, the one exception, the plural form in King James is italicized, meaning it was supplied by translators, thus not in the original)

B. LDS PROOF TEXTS:

I Cor. 15:40
Joseph Smith added the word telestial to that verse.  (Note: there is no manuscript evidence for the addition).  Study of the King James Version verse in context shows that the verse refers ONLY to earthly (terrestrial) bodies and heavenly (celestial) bodies, not to any destinations.  In other words, the verse merely speaks of the kind of body humans have before and after death.

The LDS view of the word terrestrial as relating to the future does not agree with its true meaning.   The word TERRESTRIAL (Greek, epigeios) as used throughout the New Testament, simply means 'earthly', and in II Cor. 5:1-4 it was translated as "earthly" (verse 1): "For we know that if our earthly (terrestrial) house of this tabernacle (i.e our present body) were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. It goes on to speak of wanting to be clothed with our new body in heaven. Now think what it is saying. My terrestrial body has to be dissolved before I get a new one in heaven. In other words, there will be no terrestrial bodies in heaven because my terrestrial body is my PRESENT, earthly one! 

II Cor. 12:2 
This refers to the third heaven.  The "first" usage in the Bible of the word heaven has the meaning, sky; the second, outer space, and the third, the presence of God... these are the 3 ways the word heaven is used in the  Bible.  It is illogical to jump to the conclusion that there are other "heavens" that exist as destinations for humans, when the clear statements in God's Word indicate otherwise.

John 14:2
It speaks of many mansions... but those mansions are in the FATHER'S house (I.E. where the Father lives).  We can agree that "Celestial Glory" (God's kingdom) exists.  No other place for mansions or dwelling places is mentioned in the Bible.

CLDS WRITINGS

BOOK OF MORMON 

II Nephi 15:34-35   kingdom of God or an awful, filthy hell
II Nephi 2:27           liberty and eternal life or captivity and eternal death
Mosiah 2:39-41      never-ending happiness or never-ending torment
Mosiah 5:5, 15        heaven, everlasting life,or under the wrath of God in eternal torment
Mos. 15:21-27        redeemed, with God, or perishing in sins
Alma 42:16             happiness or punishment (ETERNAL)
Helaman 12:26       everlasting life or everlasting damnation

Note that D & C 20:9 and 27:5  refer to the Book of Mormon as the FULLNESS of the gospel.  This makes "3 heavens" a significant omission!

DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS

D & C 76, 88 and 131 are the only places that teach the three heavens theory.  But D & C 88 was a part of a larger revelation, a major part of which was proven to be false.  Church History, Vol. 2, pp. 380-381. See #15 at  prophecies.htm

BUT... see the rest of the story:

D&C 29:27-28, 43-44    eternal life or eternal damnation
D&C 43:25,33, 63:49, 54    eternal life or unquenchable fire
D&C 101:65-67    Celestial glory vs. unquenchable fire
    (Note... this key passage was written AFTER the original major revelation of the  
    3 heavens... so why the doubletalk?)

PEARL OF GREAT PRICE

Moses 6:29 and 59    kingdom of heaven or death and hell
Moses 7:57-67          fullness of joy or chains of darkness

D. SUMMARY

1.  No Bible verses teach more than 2 destinations for mankind.  Its consistent story is the traditional heaven/hell, although it could more precisely be referred to as hell followed by the lake of fire vs. the new heaven and earth as the two choices  (There will be free access between the new heaven and earth, and all have access to the throne of God.  See Rev. 21:24-27)

2. The Book of Mormon does not teach the 3 heavens theory.

3. The Pearl of Great Price does not  teach it. 

4.  While the Doctrine and Covenants does refer to the 3 heavens in 3 places... other places 
     in it say the opposite, and one of the visions as a whole  (D & C 88) was shown to be false. 

Until someone can tell me what other options there can be besides "name in the book" or "name not in the book"  (Rev. 20 and 21) I must continue to believe that there are ONLY two options for us beyond this life! 

2.  According to both the Bible and the LDS writings, no one's worthiness, performance or personal righteousness will ever be good enough to qualify them for Celestial Glory.

James 2:10 makes it clear that one broken rule is as bad as breaking all the rules, and all we have to do is look at Matt. 5:48 to see that God expects us to be as perfect as HE is! 

The LDS writings make Celestial glory pretty much impossible to attain.    Spencer Kimball, a past President and Prophet in the Church, stated in the book, "The Miracle of Forgiveness" that trying is not sufficient. "To try is weak....We must always do better than we can." (pg. 165) LDS point out that this is to be done through God's power. But God has never promised to make us sinless - I John 1:8, 10, John 7:19, Romans 3:23 (for all keep on falling short of God's glory is the literal translation).

    REPENTANCE (Mormon Doctrine, pg. 630) is a PROCESS whereby sinners can cast off our burden of guilt and "wash away the filth of iniquity, and become clean every whit." It is essential to salvation....it includes conviction of sin, sorrow for sin, contrite spirit, desire to be relieved of the burden of sin and a fixed determination to FORSAKE his evil ways and confess his sins. Helaman. 14:13 says one is forgiven if they repent of all sins. Biblically, the word repent means a CHANGE or turn-around. Thus to repent of every sin would mean to QUIT every sin. D & C 58:43 says the same thing.  Again it is simply ....be sinless.

    REPEATING SINS: According to Miracle of Forgiveness, page 169, forgiveness is cancelled if one reverts back to a sin. (See D & C 82:7). In view of the fact that there are 1050 commands in the New Testament alone, what chance do we have? Page 170 says, "Those who feel they can sin and be forgiven and then return to sin and be forgiven again and again, must straighten out their thinking. Each previously forgiven sin is added to the new one, and the whole gets to be a heavy load." Whatever happened to "their sins and iniquities will I remember no more?" (Heb. 10:17) Why would the Lord ask US to repeatedly forgive (70 x 7) if He isn't willing to forgive more than 3 times? On Page 176 in the chapter titled "Abandonment of Sin"  Kimball states, "Discontinuance of the sin must be permanent."  Have you become sinless?  

3.  There IS HOPE!  You CAN qualify for the very presence of God!  

Yes, we are required to "be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father in Heaven is perfect", but the Bible DOES tell us how to meet this requirement!   In Heb. 10:14 we read:

"For by one offering He has perfected for ever them that are sanctified."
(Verse 10 of the chapter tells us that we are sanctified or set apart to God 
by the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all, so it is all a work done by God.)

How can God say we imperfect people are "perfected for ever"? It is because of 

IMPUTED RIGHTEOUSNESS: THIS is the missing teaching!

We have to understand that the Bible talks about two kinds of righteousness.  Paul said in Phil. 3:9 that he wanted to be found by God, NOT having his OWN righteousness, based on law-keeping, but a righteousness "which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith." He was talking about imputed righteousness.

That other kind of righteousness is gained by faith.  It is explained in Romans 4. There (King James Version) it says Abraham was COUNTED as righteous (verse 3). (That’s not the same as acting righteously).  It goes on to say that we get this gift by GRACE (an undeserved favor) and it is not tied to our WORKS (Rom 4:4-5 and 11:6). Rom. 4: 7-8 show that it involves the forgiveness of sins, and the end of God keeping record of our sins. They are not imputed or "written down" if you will. THAT means there is nothing on our record to keep us out of heaven! This is so because of the blood that Jesus Christ shed for us on the cross. When Christ said, "It is finished", it was an accounting term meaning "paid in full." This REALLY settles the sin issue for ever! Romans 4:16 makes reference to the CERTAINTY we have in this promise, and verses 22-25 indicate it’s for us who believe as well as Abraham.  Because of this clean record we receive, we can say, as it says in I John 5:13, that we KNOW we HAVE eternal life. Romans 8:1 also tells us there is no condemnation for us as believers who are "in Christ".

Picture a piece of paper with the words "My Record With God" written across the top. When I believe in Christ, all those past sins listed are erased… I have a clean record with God. AND…. if I sin after I am saved, it says in II Cor. 5:19-21 (and Romans 4:8) that God is no longer imputing or writing down those sins on my record. God instead promises "Their sins and iniquities I will remember no more" (Heb. 10:17)   And because of this gift we are invited to come BOLDLY to God’s throne of grace. (Heb. 10:19)   Yes, God does discipline us on EARTH.   When we sow sin – we will reap for it.  But our ETERNAL LIFE is not affected (otherwise it would be temporary life).   We pray you will receive the glorious gift of imputed righteousness (Rom. 5:17) offered by grace!

Romans 1:16-17 says this IS the heart of the true gospel message, and that message is powerful enough to save all who believe it. The gift of imputed righteousness can build a firm foundation for your faith. Believe it! Rejoice in it! It will change your life. 

 

Questions?  Comments?  Contact us...we would love to talk about them:  Sainttalk@cableone.net