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MORMONS
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Love
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Why
We Do Not Baptize for the Dead
- Why baptize for the dead when
not one verse in the Bible commands us to do it? Neither is one word of
explanation of the practice given.
- Why baptize for the dead when
neither Christ nor any of the apostles did it?
- Why do it when not one verse
commends or approves of the practice. I Corinthians 15:29 merely states
that "they" (who were they?, why not "us"?) did it(one
interpretation). Since there was no punctuation in the ancient Biblical
manuscripts, it is perfectly legitimate to translate this verse as
follows: "What shall they do who are being baptized? It is for the
dead (i.e. dead bodies), if the dead rise not at all." (same
construction is seen in Rom. 8:34) This is a more logical translation
because it speaks of an event that was happening at the time, but there is
no record of any (LDS type) baptism for the dead occurring at this time in
history.
- Why do it when there will be
no second chance for those who have already heard after this life
according to II Nephi 9:38, Alma 34:31-35, 41:3, and 42:13; and for those
who have NOT heard baptism is unnecessary according to Moroni 8:22-23. WHO
IS IT FOR?
- Why do it when such a concept
would make my destiny dependent on if/when someone else performed a
ritual. That's unjust!
- Why do it when the Bible
states that men will be judged on the basis of deeds done in the body not
out of it (II Cor. 5:10).
- Why do it when the Book of
Mormon (the fullness of the everlasting gospel - D & C 20:9) is silent
on the subject?
- Why do it when I Timothy 2:5
shows there is only one mediator (proxy) between God and man - Jesus
Christ. And Psalm 49:7 says, "None of them can by any means redeem
his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him."
- Why do it when the thief on
the cross was allowed to enter paradise (the third heaven; II Cor. 12:2-4,
Luke 23:43, Rev. 2:7) immediately after he died, without being baptized.
- Why do it since nearly 150
new testament scriptures specify that a repentant FAITH is the one
indispensable thing that saves us (for example, John 3:16, 3:36, 5:24,
Acts 10:43, 16:31, Rom. 1:16-17, 3:24, 4:3-12, 5:1, 6:23, Titus 3:5, Gal.
3:2-6, Eph. 2:8-10).
- Why baptize for the dead?
"Because Obadiah 9:21 speaks of 'savior on Mount Zion." This is
no reference to baptism. In context the saviors were historic rescuers of
the nation of Israel from their captors, the Edomites - see Ob. 9:8-10,
17-20 (Edomites = descendents of Esau).
- Why baptize for the dead?
"Because Malachi 4:6 speaks of turning the heart of the father to the
children and the heart of the children to their fathers." Baptism is
not in view here. Luke 1:17 interprets this prophecy as a turning of the
hearts of disobedient children back to the wisdom of the just or righteous
parents - the opposite of what is involved in baptism for the dead.
- Why baptize for the dead?
"Because Heb. 11:40 speaks of past people not being made perfect
without us." There is no reference to baptism here. All the past
people described in this chapter were people of outstanding FAITH. Yet
they died without receiving God's promise (the land) during their lifetime
because God first wanted to redeem some of US and include us in His family
in order to perfect or complete his family of believers. They, as a body
of believers, are not a complete without us (believers) being part of that
body, too.
- Why baptize for the dead?
"Because I Peter 3:19 says Christ preached to spirits in
prison." Note how many presumptions are involved here:
- Did he offer
salvation? There are 2 words for preach, one meaning proclaim (used in
this verse) and another meaning evangelize.
- Would such an event
ever be repeated by anyone?
- Would those who are
called disobedient be the best subjects for such an offer? And why only
the disobedient of Noah's time? Is that just?
- Was ANYthing offered?
What did he actually say to the spirits?
- Was the proclamation
to men or to angels, as some commentators believe (compare II Peter
2:4-5, Jude 6, Gen. 6:2)
- Why baptize for the dead?
"Because of modern revelation." When modern revelation
contradicts previous revelation Isa. 8:20, Gal. 1:6-9 , Acts 17:11 and
other places require us to reject the new contradictory revelation.
- Why do it if it's not enough?
If a second chance were involved, would it be just to require this ritual
of someone yet IGNORE the other thing required of people (LDS teaching) -
obedience? Why not also require proxy obedience? (People in the spirit
world have no fleshly temptations to resist.)
- ARE there any people now in a
"spirit prison"? The Bible speaks consistently of the righteous
going to be with the Lord and the wicked being cast into hell. At the
great white throne judgment scene, the dead are raised up from HELL to be
judged, not from a spirit prison. Hell is a place of punishment; no
believer will be sent there on a 'mission', for it says in I Thess 4:17,
"and so shall we ever be with the Lord." (See also II Cor. 5:8
where it states that to be absent from the body is to be present with the
Lord.)
- Why do it when I Peter
1:18-19 states that we are not redeemed with corruptible things. Aren't
temples, humans and water corruptible?
OUR actions determine our destiny. No human can "redeem" or be
"proxy" for another (except the God-man, Christ). Those who reject
Christ get no second chance (John 3:36); those who have never heard will not be
judged for lack of baptism (where there is no law, there is no transgression -
Rom. 2:12). There is NO reason to baptize for the dead. In my opinion, it is an
unnecessary ritual, a side-track, and a waste of time and money.
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